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The campus goes beyond students and if this wud have happened with somebody in the staff , it would have gone un noticed.
The fact that student community has the power to bring radical changes which they did in this case.
Everybody in the country deserves health facilities and nobody should be devoid of that but then thanks to bureaucracy we do not live in utopia.
If many people in this country are devoid of health facilities is because they dont demand it or even if they demand it they dont get it.
Labeling that if the iit's are getting what they demanded as elite ,sorry i strongly disagree. If the world doesnt get what they need, or what they dont even demand, do we do the same thing. . NOPE.
As far the media is concerned, i was personally following the happenings on the internet.
The only source till yesterday evening was twitter and after this article was written http://209.97.214.175/~scholars/wordpress/ ,others followed the trend.
The incident was sad and unfortunate but we cant let the nation decide what iit's need.
This one place in the system is free of bureaucracy and to let it get invaded by stupid excuses is one thing we should not tolerate.
Even the iitb hospital doesnt have proper blood test facility and after this incident the first thing that i did was writing a letter to the Director about my near death experience during the last sem.
Facilities need to improve - come wht may. They should be improved everywhere but if the machinery at the other places screws it up the iit's shud not be blamed to consume resources.
BTW, I am an IITian myself. But I believe that just because you are the most renowned university, and a place which gets the most media attention, you do not become eligible for "extra-special" care by the government.
In any case, I am not taking any moral calls on what should and should not be done. I am expressing my opinion, asking all of the readers to express their own.
If you feel that everybody needs access to hospitals - I agree with that. But what about the fact that a hospital was existing and totally dsyfuntional. Why have a hospital on campus in the first place? To dish out Calpol and medical certificates as the case in most residential engg colleges?
I agree that media tends to twist a lot of stories and the truth gets hidden in many cases. However, that is no reason to believe one version and not another. I agree that the reaction of students to overturn vehicles was immature but we are not talking of 30-year olds here.
as I wrote above, I am not in the business of defending anything that authorities did in campus.
Of course the reaction was immature. And I don't expect them to behave in a more mature fashion. But see what the authorities are saying - plainly "strong emotive response". Why can't you accept that your students did something truly nasty?
Two of us are basically saying the same things.
I posted my comments based on what you wrote initially. But you seem to be taking a very different (more defensive) line now after people have been posting comments.
You said that the media had been manipulated and objected to the phrase "strong emotive response" and no mention of the resignation of the director. You also mentioned that elite students have no greater need for medical care than the average citizen.
You seem to be living in Utopia. I'm yet to see a press release from any organisation/institution that critisises its own members - and this includes government press releases as well. I don't think strong emotive response was far off from the truth. Secondly, there is still not much clarity on the resignation of the directors as per the posts from several students in KGP. Thridly, if elite students have no greater need, then can you justify whether Manmohan Singh needed the best heart surgeon to operate upon him? Why don't super-speciality hospitals admit all patients for free since everyone needs equal access?
Two of us are not saying the same things.
I always wanted to say the same, but perhaps I didn't communicate that clearly. I am learning!
I am not in the business of evaluating what organizations do or don't with regard to media. I was just bringing out the fact that media has been used by everyone for their own prerogative. Especially, new media like blogs.
I don't think the parallel you drew is significant. IITians, for whatever they are, are no Manmohan Singh.
Yes. The two of us are not saying the same things now, unfortunately!
As far as not having the neurosurgeon is concerned, I totally agree that it is impossible to have a neurosurgeon on-board. But one of the reasons for his death was the delay in of 2-3 hours to send him to a hospital in Kolkata. Combined with the fact that the doctor-on-duty was lackadisical, I believe Rohit's condition worsened to beyond recovery.
I believe you are as far away from the facts as u can b my frnd.u don't know what crap u r talking about ..I myself am a student of iit kgp and hav been a witness to all unfortunate events that hav taken place.Yout don't know the trauma we felt when the student who accompanied Rohit ,told about how he died a tragic death.
.I appeal to everyone not to follow this blog bcoz it is as far away from truth as possible.Infact I would like to like question the credibility of this blog in comparison to the posts written by the kgpian themselves.
This issue is very sensitive and I strongly condemn the lackadaisical attitude by the authorities. See their official press release. They don't even accept the truths about the incidents in your campus!
I must be. But I did my best to put all the facts together, including talking to the office bearer on phone to get the real information.
I am an IITian myself. Thanks for writing.
First of all my Name is "Ashish Gourav" and not "Ashish Gaurav"....
I've written that "follow up post".
How did you contact VP?
Why did u Contact our VP, ARNAV? What was your motive?
You cannot know everything dude!!!
We are here and know what is going on here....please don't flare this matter for cheap publicity......we are hurt,shocked, helpless!!!
Arnav is the only person I knew in Kharagpur campus right now. I had gotten in touch with him in Aug '08 for some official purpose. That he is a VP did not matter to me any bit. I asked these questions to him just as I would have asked you.
I am sorry, but I am not flaring this matter, nor looking for "cheap" publicity. IIT authorities have to be held responsible for this incident. At the same time, as mature individuals, we should understand that the fact that students cannot demand a better hospital just because they are "IITians".
I support movement against inaction. But, I'm against 'elitism'.
1. I am against the utter neglect by IIT authorities.
2. I am in strong support of need of better medical facilities in campus, just like any other place.
3. I strong oppose the 'elitist' line of thought that some comments above make. Just because you have cleared one exam, do you become above the system?
I am sorry i don't intend to join VGSOM now. My views were from the perspective that media is such a thing that can be easily manipulated. Everyone's using it for their own purpose.
As I wrote above, I strongly support your quest for having a better medical facility.
aur rahi bat special suvidha ki as a elite to ;poore desh ka paisa laga hai bahut sara ..uska sahi management hona chahiye .aur sabse pehle aap IIt B se nikal kar ek seat vacant karo aur kisi doosre ko dekar pehla kadam uthayen sabko barabari ka haq dekar .
aur yahan ki junta ne koi special health system ka demand nahi kiya hai dost . bas jeewan bachane kee baat chal rahai hai ..aur jeewan bachane ki hod me sabhi ko haq hai ki wo lade .. abhi ye shuruat hai ..aaj damaodar gaya; kal arjun ji jayenge tel lene ... isiliye is tareh ke shuruat ko support karna sikhiye ..humesha dhara ke against chalna hi sahi nahi hota ..jab dhara me sachchai ho to bahut mazboot hoti hai ..jo uske against honge toot jayenge ..iska ahsas yahan ke ex director plus DOSA ko badhiya se ho gaya hoga ....
( mera jawab is question ke liye hai ... HINGLISH ka upyog sadharan junta ko dhyan me rakhkar kiya gaya hai :
Do the 'elite' students of IIT might have a bigger need of medical facilities than an average Indian citizen?")
I certainly understand the sensitivity of someone's death. However just cannot think that so called "intelligent" brains of the country behave like students of any local college in many parts of the country in order to get a message conveyed is a shame.
If IITs define a standard, are we here to setup new standards in terms of how "Rampage" should be carried out.
I know about the medical situation and also understand how difficult it is to get treatment in case of emergency. Trying to get over emmotional on every aspect and going on rampage is no solution.
I guess a proper and descent approach is what is needed.
I respect a change but not in a manner that degrads the value of civilized and educated students.
By doing such an act, IIT Kgp students have become cheap like any other college student in the country where every protest is a rampage.
I would have like a more peaceful movement that could have triggered to a great success and the others in country could learn from us.
Thanks for all who believe in postive thoughts.
Thanks for being the only one to support a mature line of argument. :)
Rampage is no way to achieve something concrete. The system has a way of working and that has to be followed. IITians have done nothing great to save their image.
aap shayad btech student hoge ..jara hall etc ka jikra bhi kar diya karo ..aaplog ke samay hi yahan ke mess me frog aur snake milte the ...aapne IIT ka brand establish kiya ; ye sach hai .lekin kya ye poora sach hai . ye sach nahi hai ..bahut sare loop holes hain ..tabhi to ek arjun singh aata hai aur pore IIT system ka majak uda kar peace marta hai ....aaplog ke chup rehne ka result hai itna sara discrepancy in the system ..hum aane wali generation ko apne taraf se shiakayat nahi denge .. humne kitna kuchh jhela hai aapko andaz nahi sahyad ....sahayd aap 2 yr mtech rehe honge ..kyonki 4-5 saal rehen wale ko yahan ki reality pata hoti hai .....isliye humesha dhara ke vipreet mat bahiye ..kuchh sahi cause ke liye ladna sikhiye nahi to ek arjun singh hi kafee hai sare IITs ki bat lagane ke liye ..... sochiye badhiya se .................................................................
aur aap bina matlab ke Rampage k ibaat midea se sun kar maan liya ..waisa yahan kuch hnahi hua ...itna bada change GANDHI ji ke satyagrah se hi kiya ja sakta ..rampage se ye sab change nahi hote .yahan ki junta ye bat janti hai ....aur isliye hum change lane me safal hue ..
That you still believe that only B.Techs are IITians is a thought that I do not wish to debate.
I don't believe violence is any solution in any circumstance. And, this was no "Satyagraha", please don't compare.
Do arguments hain. Ek, health system improve hona chahiye. Aur paise ka management barabar hona chahiye. HAAN. Hona chahiye. Yeh desh ka paisa hai. Bilkul hona chahiye.
Par kya sirf isliye ki hum log IIT ke andar hain, hamari jarooratein humse desh ke aam nagrik se badi ho jayein?
Jis tarah ka aandolan aa logo ne kiya hai, usse kahin jyada vyapak aandolan UP aur Bihar ki universities mein hota hai. Par sach yeh hai ki media unhein koi bhaav nahin deti. Kaaran, "Brand Name".
Yadi media IIT ko bhaav deti hai to isliye nahin ki IIT important hain. Is desh ke sekdon college desh ke liye important hain. Bhaav sirf isliye milta hai kyunki IIT ka naam bikta hai, aur aam log uske baare mein padna chahte hain.
Jis din naam bikna band ho gaya, us din media nahin aayegi aapke campus mein.
kal hum nahi bikenege to aawaz uthana chhod de? IIt ka brand estalish arjun singh aur soniyaji ne nahi kiya hai ..isko IITians ne kurbani dekar ki hai ..jab sabhi log masti karte hain to yahan aane wali junta sab kuchh tayagkar fight marti hai ..isiliye ye faltu soch dimag se nikal lo ki koi brand bech kar attention le raha hai .. sangharsh ka aatitude develop karo kyonki kal aap bhi common man ki gallary me kahde hoge ..jarrorat hai to leftist negative thinking se bahar aakar sochne ki ..democracy me kahin bhi atyachar aur anyay hota hai to uska vyapak vidroh hona chaiye -- gandhi ke bataye satyagrah aur nonviolence pe ..iska example humne set kiya hai ..poore desh me administration ,politics , govt unit , health system corrupt aur khokhli hai ..yadi aap jaise so called elite fighting atitude develop nahi karoge to kaun ladega ...aur jo kgp me hua hai wo kahin aur nahi ho sakta ..itna vyapak aandolan historical hai poore bharat me ..ab ye depend karta hai ki aap vyapak kise samjhte hain .. .jitne badi yahan ki residential mass hai utna kahi aur nahi ..aur jitna peacefully humne change laya hai utna effective koi aur nahi kar sakta ..kewal IIT KGP ka social infrastructure hi aisa change la sakti hai ... isliye baato ko metroloitan mentality se bahar nikal kar dekho ..sach aur jhooth ke liye sangharsh karo ..hum yahan BANIYE nahi baithe hain jo sachai ko bikne ke liye chhod den ..sach bikti nahi ..IIT ka brand poori duniya me hai isliye ki ye sach hai ..isliye nahi ki isko humne paisa dekar kahin se khareeda hai ..so brand bikne ki chinta aap chhod hi do ....
This is a link which just shows a glimpse of wat has happened .u and amit fail to understand the situation and are talking absurdities .Plzz get ur facts right.Instead of pointing fingers to kgpians.
Whatever was happening inside the campus was not defendable. The behavior of your management, and yours.
Media coverage does not justify that your actions, nor is there intention to prove it that way.
In any case, we are not pointing fingers to anyone. We are only asking you to stop and think for a second.
I KNOW THAT U NEED FALSE PUBLICITY. And M.Techs. are not IITIANS.
Why don't you mind your own business. Is not it like that Health Care is the first right of every Indian Citizen ? In some emergency condition how many minutes an ambulance MUST take ? 2 hours ???
How would you feel if your friend(or if in your case Brother as you are so emotionless creature) is dead and someone passes a smile and says "I can not resign on SUCH issues?" OR " These things keep happening inside the campus, WHAT THE BIG DEAL?"
That you still believe that only UGs are IITians is a thought that I do not wish to debate. I'll let you win.
I'd do everything to avoid the death of a friend or a dear one. But whether I will take the violent path and break window panes, I don't think so.
I'm a third year student from IIT Madras. Regarding the B.Tech vs M.Tech debate : a MTech at any IIT can never truly understand what IIT life is all about, because of their dismal record in participating in Institute activities and contributions as alumni. Being IITians as most people like to call themselves is not just about clearing JEE but about being an IITian in the true spirit. I hope you can understand that.
Leaving that aside, the true point of contention is the argument over whether IITians are above the system or not? Well, of course they aren't. But when you talk of a system where students have to wait three hours for a doctor only for him to refer to him to Kolkatta without availability of a proper ambulance service, and when the doctor also doesn't accompany the patient, then the only response is to say "Screw it".
Kharagpur is a place which is just one level higher than any ordinary city because of the location of the IIT and hence caters to the requirement of close to 10000+ people. The situation of healthcare should not be so pathetic that patients with fractures need to be referred to Kolkatta. Add to that the fact that the IITs are not devoid of funding and hence good healtcare can be afforded in the budget. It is only the apathy of the adminstration which has allowed the situation to become this bad.
Lastly, forgive me for saying this, but most B.Techs would not even discuss an issue such as the one you have raised, not for being 'elitist' but because of how the IIT campus has educated them in matters other than academics.
Ciao, and again, nothing personal
If participation in insti activities and contribution as alumni are the only measures, most UGs would also fail to qualify as "IITians". Until we work out a comprehensive criteria of who should qualify as "IITian" and who shouldn't. Until then, let's rest this argument.
Yours is one of the first IITs to elect a PG to a major insti post. It surprises me how can you still have this line of thought!
Thanks for supporting my line of argument that IITians are not over the system. I fully agree that the administrations apathy and mismanagement of budget has to be dealt with. Otherwise this is utter wastage of national resources. I have been told that IITs have the highest cost standard of civil construction in the country, signaling a major leekage of resources. This HAS to stop!
The fact is that we are still discussing this issue. Your being a B.Tech did not change it. I don't know what you wanted to say by "how the IIT campus has educated them in matters other than academics". Isn't it more about maturity of thought than the academic course we are pursuing?
http://www.iitmadras.org/old/news/pubs/2003/ . The last article is a short story titled "Vikram and Vetaal in IITM"
And the PG guy you are talking about was a UG at IIT before that :)
Very nicely written story. I laughed out loud. Now what? How can a satirical/humorous story add to our discussion?
Ok, I didn't know that the guy was also a UG at IITM. There are so many PGs who have been UGs at IIT before, including people in my class. So what?
Arpit